Oh!, and do I ever miss a good fuerte which I used to sell off a fruit truck next to Golden Gate Park in SF in the 70s. In terms of the harvest season complementing your Hass and Fuerte, advantage probably goes to Reed here also. These are varieties that take a long time to get big enough to be useful as shade trees compared to other varieties. You just have to do a little pruning to make sure they share sunlight and space. Its significantly bigger than Hass, as seen in the photo above, andReed also stays green when its ripe. Im very close to cutting mine down. But not until the end of summer. The tree is vigorous and upright, but apparently can be keep to about 2.5 metres in height by intensive pruning. If you have a very productive Fuerte, then you wont start eating much of your Hass fruit until probably mid to late spring. I was originally thinking of two avocado trees to go along with the Meyer Lemon and Black Mission Fig, but this post is making me think it should be three. With all 3 trees with hundreds of bb size to small marble size. (I have numerous other avocado trees near my Gwen.) But yes, Lamb, Reed, and Fuerte all have higher salt tolerance than Hass. Thanks again for all the information. And youre right about the tree looking weird, but it works. I visited a grove with a soil pH of 8 and saw that their GEM trees on Dusa were stunted and chlorotic. Thank you so much for your recommendation. In my (very limited) gardening experience, I noticed that choosing the right variety is not everything, one has to be sure it will function well in the conditions ones got. But its good to remember that any trees shape can be affected somewhat by whats growing around it and where its getting sun. Several of the Type A avocados are quite Hass-like, or descendants from Hass itself. What would you recommend? I have been watching this tree for years since I work in the area, had some fruit once they turned black and they taste exactly like Fuerte! If I eat some Fuerte fruit blindfolded, its so easy to identify it as Fuerte. Hi Greg, Once budwood is available without using the mother tree I will share more on the Lamorinda. Guacamole heaven! I would think that arctic blasts during winter will be your main limiting factor. 96 9GreenBox - Pineapple Guava - 2 Pack 1,083 I counted 51 fruits in this picture. The main reason that I usually buy small avocado trees is because theyre so much cheaper. Its single disadvantage is its black color, which has been associated in the minds of the public with poor quality fruits, wrote H.B. My goal is to help others grow food at home, with a focus on vegetables and fruits -- especially avocados -- in Southern California. Ill be visiting a mature high-density planting in a couple weeks and Ill pass along anything new that I observe, but the main long-term challenge for most growers with this style is keeping on top of the pruning. I have many thoughts on this topic, but dont have the experience so I am curious to get your thoughts on this! As for heat-tolerant avocado varieties, I wrote a post about that some years back and Ill be updating it soon: https://gregalder.com/yardposts/heat-tolerance-of-avocado-varieties/. Horizontally? I have Lamb, Pinkerton, Reed, Mexicola Grande, Hass, Holiday and Ettinger. I hope you didnt get snow where you are, because a few weeks ago when I was there, it was COLD and rainy. Avocados dont ripen while hanging on the tree. I also planted a Queen avocado tree in the spot where the Holiday was. Im considered to be in zone 9, and yet my Reed does well. What a find. And if the tree is small, you might actually need to deliberately remove some of the fruitlets for the trees own long-term health. Yes, you can definitely graft several varieties onto one tree. Avocado Reed. The Mexicola Grande avocado is the most frost-resistant of all avocado varieties. Eventually we could put up a larger greenhouse, but Im hoping that we can proceed without having to do that. Heres a link to Miramars offerings: https://www.sandiego.gov/environmental-services/miramar/greenery/cmw#products. A homegrown Hass, picked at prime time around May or June in southern Southern California, but some months later up near Point Conception and ripened at room temperature on a kitchen counter (not refrigerated and gassed with ethylene during its mishandling on the way to a retail outlet) is a knockout. Most people think Fuerte tastes better, but Bacon is a nice milder, sweeter avocado for the winter. I wanted to tell you that it appears that there is a Fuerte/Hass cross in Lafayette which is in the bay but just over the hills and away from the fog. A lesser-known variety but one still popping up in supermarkets is the mighty Florida avocado, also sometimes called the Dominican avocado. Queen Avocado. Thanks Greg. Also, there is nothing written about growing avocados in France. If it doesnt, then I cant think of a downside to either GEM or Carmen that would give the other a significant edge. So you dont want to prevent the drop of fruitlets if the set is heavy. Watering. See this article about mulches and controlling root rot in avocados: http://www.avocadosource.com/WAC5/Papers/WAC5_p561.pdf. The trees have a tall, upright spreading habit. Good questions, all. Heavy clay is the worst for Hass avocado trees, but if you have no other choice, create a raised bed or a mound with a 3-5 foot diameter to plant the tree on. The second time I tried in on avocado toast and to my surprise it tasted even more like Fuerte. Blossom Type: B Fruit Shape: Clavate Skin Color Unripe: Green Skin Color Ripe: Green Skin Thickness: Medium Average Fruit Weight oz: 10 to 18 %Ratio Seed/Skin/Flesh: 9:12:79 Click on image to enlarge Additional Information: Popular in Australia. The fruit must be of good size. However, apart from my own garden, I do some gardening in my parish churchs park, also in Nice. Thank you!! It weighs between 8 and 16 oz, making it a slightly smaller variety. Theres no rush. And if its a tiny tree youre after, then it doesnt get much smaller than Holiday (XX3). impossible (or almost impossible) to ship American varieties from the US to Europe. CA avocados like Lamb Hass don't do well in FL and vice versa. Were trying to get avocados all year round with varieties weve tried and like. Should I go which two Dusas (Hass+Dusa, Reed+Dusa)? Tree 1: Im really leaning towards a GEM. By the way, I have a few other Hawaiian varieties growing that Ive never tasted and am wondering if youd recommend giving any of them more or less attention and space: Murashige, Malama, Nishikawa, Kahaluu? The same occurred with my newly planted atemoya: the leaves turned black, and the tree dried to death. It is probably the climate but since I have been surprised by other varieties nothing like finding out for . It is very good sized, peels easily, acts like it is a semi-dwarf tree, and the fruit is just so good! Which is the best? At the same time I have not been able to taste one and am surprised at how difficult it has been to find, so I wonder how accurate those old articles are, what downsides it might have that have made it less popular over time. We have a large greenhouse and I was hoping you could suggest some avocados that might be easier to grow and fruit here? Although I enjoy the diversity of tastes in most all avocado varieties, theres something about Fuerte fruits that hit the target for me. I have a friend who lives in your area: nice place to grow avocados. how come i never thought about this! This has happened before when a local avocado grower put a video of a seedling with huge avocados up on YouTube. That tree eventually did die. Reed is basically a summer-into-fall variety. (See more about Lamb in my post, The Lamb/Hass avocado tree: a profile.). The good news is that I know trees there that have had them for years, have never been treated for them, and the trees still produce well. Thanks for all the info, very useful! Found some 5gals at Atkins in Fallbrook. So, in a sense, you dont want to disturb them. Btw, from my experience and reading on Aussie forums Sharwil is very heat sensitive so unless it is 80 all year around it is not worth growing. Also no information whether it is a clonal rootstock or a seedling one (for avocado trees). Thank you and thank you for all the information you have shared on your site!! I live in So Calif Inland Empire (Norco); hot summers, rarely below 29 30 in winter. It is medium in size with rough green skin and yellowish-green flesh. When I looked up the harvest time, it looks similar to a Reed. Other A-type avocados that are naturally on the relatively small side and produce well and are good eating include: Pinkerton, Lamb, Reed, and Gwen. I found several great articles: http://www.avocadosource.com/WAC8/Section_02/DeVilliersAI2015.pdf Screw the big/medium locals, I am going to Fallbrook from now own to get my avo trees straight from the growers. The Nabals I know are a bit of both, and not small trees if left unpruned. Until then, let me say that every one of the varieties you mentioned has great tasting fruit (except that Ive never eaten Green Gold so cant comment with experience on that one). And I hope this post helps you choose your own best kind. Kona Sharwil.wow! Do you like its eating qualities about as well as Sharwil? No one even the owner knows what variety it is, but there is a lot of fruits on it. You live in a fantastic neighborhood for growing avocados, as you obviously know. Fruit Weight: 7-14 oz. Ive never had a tree-matured Reed. Which order would you recommend from the equator to the pole? Just so you and other readers know, my yard is in inland San Diego County near the town of Ramona. In the meantime, there are heaps of other varieties that are already publicly available to explore. Do you have any neighbors with avocado trees in their yard? The tree bears regular crops of large, round fruit of exceptional eating quality. Both have excellent tasting fruit. Fruit may have a larger seed when grown in rainy areas. GEM trees are a bit hard to come by, unfortunately. The fruit is usually rounded or slightly pear-shaped. Best regards, They will never let you down or change their form. My twist is I want to keep them to 10 12 ft high. Where I am now (Ramona) gets a little chillier even than there but Lamb does fine in my yard. They have plenty of space, but Im leaning towards the GEM, since its so easy to get a hold of Hass at the markets. North-south orientation works well since morning and afternoon sun will hit all trees almost equally. Id probably have to give the edge to Sir Prize because Id rather have the most complementary harvest seasons in order to have fruit to eat more of the year. Is there a simpler way. Thanks for all the resources. TREE SIZES. But now with youtube it has been easier to see what can be grown up here. They're known to be exceptionally creamy. The taste of a Sharwil avocado is excellent, on par with any avocado that Ive tasted. So since youre buying from Subtropica, Id get any clonals they have, if available, and then plan to wrap the trunk next winter to protect the rootstock and graft union area from cold. Im guessing it was the chlorine that did the damage. I have learned so much from your website, Thank You. Big and green are the two fatal qualities that prevent Reeds acceptance as a commercial variety in todays small and black Hass world. It is only slightly pebbled with yellowish bumps, much smaller than the ones found on a Hass. Then why isnt Fuerte my top choice? Still, what most people prefer to do is plant multiple trees close together, even in one hole. Its just hard to start growing a tree that you: Its significantly bigger than Hass, as seen in the photo above, and. You might be able to find a Gwen to taste at a farmers market somewhere nearby around now and through summer. Historic photo of Mr. and Mrs. Rudolph Hass in front of an avocado tree I have two questions for you: Your input and knowledge definitely helps. Best of luck with the Reed. The avocados are large and oblong with a small seed and thin green skin. If you want to know how to kill an avocado tree, ask me Ive done it all. I have read about predator mites to purchase but not sure how to apply them. Its season should complement the GEM well, and the growing pattern shouldnt be too intrusive. I get my first 14th trees from 2 Spanish online shops and after a couple of months in the dirt and under mulch, all of them are doing fine: I read a few older stories about it that led me to believe its a great fit for a small yard in the Downtown LA area and that its fruit are amongst the best tasting even better than Hass. Ive seen high-density plantings get crowded after the first few years and then the yield is reduced and the grove is impenetrable jungle. One thing I didnt consider was the price of avocados during the months where I would likely have to buy. The Hass is a tough act to follow, but Backyard. I dont know anything about salt in soil, never heard of it on the French Riviera. Congratulations on your house in Covina. But I think its going to be a more common variety for Southern California in the future. I read about GEM, and it sounds like it would fit easily in our space and produce great fruit. The state dealt in the Sharwil variety of avocado, which some say is superior in taste and texture and yields more flesh. Thank you for your wonderful blog! The key difference is that Florida avocados contain a lot less fat. Hass avocados make up 95% of all the avocados eaten in the USA but you may be surprised to learn that the humble Hass is one of the newest varieties of avocado and didn't even exist before the 1920's. In the Southern Hemisphere, I would arrange them with Reed toward the equator (on the north end) since it is slightly less vigorous and it will get extra sun in fall-winter-spring, Fuerte in the middle since it has a B-type flower and will enhance the fruitfulness of the adjacent A types, and Hass on the south end. Yet Pinkerton, Mexicola, Bacon, Jim Lamb, Wurtz and Reed do well here. I just planted a Sharwill which I found at Atkins, hoping that our Global Warming trend leans my way. I have records of the bloom seasons of all of my trees, and Id be happy to share about specific varieties. I will definitely stay in touch if any other questions arise. Im torn though We have a small space with good sunlight and drainage in our yard that is probably 12 x 12 for this tree. Hi Greg, your posts are so helpful! In my yard, Reeds start to taste good as early as May, and can go through September. Adam Tropics is located in the center of Temecula, we offer many varieties, Gem is a new type very similar to Hass Avocado in tree shape and quality of fruits but mature trees grow a little smaller than . Averages are higher in the winter, when I would be at a shortage if I were to get a Reed. The worst infestations Ive seen have been on highly fertilized trees. Greg, youre awesome! In my climate (Ramona), we can get heat waves of 100 degrees in May or June while fruitlets are still small and vulnerable. I am a bit lost. Ill be back to study more and update you with my progress. The main negative is that, to me, Pinkertons dont taste quite as good as Fuertes. Note that Im really tentative about saying this. There are a lot of factors that go into the long term performance of a tree, but all other things being equal (health of tree, scion variety, rootstock, care), I also see no theoretical reason that a younger tree would somehow jump ahead of an older tree. Ive watched some young trees in your area get zapped by cold every couple years recently. But I will say that it is definitely precocious in my yard. 2 Reed (on Dusa) for me and the cathedral, and one Bacon (on Dusa) for the cathedral. Was looking at Sir Prize, your article leans toward Haas, stay with Haas? Thanks for your super helpful website! June of this year I topped them at 8 feet, The Gem is still at 8 feet but the other two want to grow to the moon. For those who have a large yard, Martin. Ive been looking for a long time where could I purchase sharwil avocados. The Pinkerton tree itself gets a bit sunburned and tattered looking but it holds onto its fruit very well, which Id say is what we most care about. The funny thing is that when I have given people some wood I didnt give them fruit because it is identical to Fuerte so there is no need. Results and timelines of grafted avocados. Im leaning towards Bacon and Lamb Hass. We anticipate that Sharwil avocado consignments from Hawaii to the mainland will total about 180 metric tons per year, equivalent to about one-half of 1 percent of the U.S. supply of non-Hass avocados and to less than one-twentieth of 1 percent of the U.S. supply of all avocado varieties. 1 year old Reed on unknown seedling Your climate in Temecula is similar to mine in Ramona: a bit hot in summer; a bit cold in winter . Theyre rich in flavor and creamy in texture without any strings. Its nearly impossible, unfortunately. 1 year old Pinkerton on unknown seedling Most people are a bit lazy when it comes to tree pruning. I picked up the last Reed from Walter Andersens last week and a little Fuerte. My experience with Sharwil in my own yard and my observations of other Sharwils confirm that its not the most predictable bearer, unfortunately. Production is too low in California. Black sand? What I would plant after these is less solid though. You could try one of those. Our water on the Mesa is exceptionally hard, and Im wondering if perhaps we should try a Lamb or Reed instead, or how salt tolerant a Fuerte is? Nice work! I guess the mites are too small to interest Ladybugs. To mitigate the clay soil, the planting area is raised, and the adjacent rock wall is free standing to allow drainage. What do you think about avocado rootstocks? For your milder location though, this might not be important. The main difference is that GEM is a smaller tree, if that matters to you. I decided to follow your advice and plant one Reed and one Hass. Small fruit will be used for value added product. They are on the bigger side, green-skinned, pear-shaped, and tasty. Excellent flavor - Sharwil and Hass both are described as rich and nutty. The fruit is the 'Hass' type, with a pebbly green skin that ripens off the tree to nearly black. The Nabal trees I know are not so wide spreading like a Fuerte, and neither are they more upright like a Bacon can be. I will tell you later how my adventure is going! H.B. Seemed very mature, almost overmature, as the seed had germinated and the root was touching the peel on the bottom, and the seedcoat did not adhere to the seed. The Hass is a medium spreading tree, whereas the Reed is more upright in stature. Elizabeth. I know you know the pruning game so Im sure youll have no problem keeping the trees at 12 feet. Yet the tree is smaller in that it is an upright instead of a large spreading type, the fruit are small but turn black when ripe (about the size of tiny hass found 8 in a bag), and the tree is a heavy producer (at least it was this time). Im considering a 6 X 10 planting. Fuerte and Sharwil are going to be harvested starting before Hass, and Nabal has a later season than Hass. BTW Thank you for the great info youve published. From what I hear it is a great tasting avocado but they dont seem to produce much up here. Thanks again for everything. But where to find this information otherwise? Sharwil Avocado B flower type. Oval-shaped and dark-green in color, the Choquette avocado originated in Florida and is a mix of two different types - Guatemalan and West Indian. Depending on the cultivar, avocados have green, brown, purplish, or black skin, and may be pear-shaped, egg-shaped, or spherical. Hass has done very well on Duke 7 for decades in many locations. Hass is amazing in this way. I didnt protect my Reed with shade cloth when I first planted it, and my paint protection was not enough to prevent the top being seriously burned so I lost about 18-24 inches on the top. While having less fat may seem appealing, the fats contained in Hass avocados are really rather healthful. Warm regards, (See more on this from a paper by Peter A. No matter your choice, Im excited for you to get a tree or a couple going in your yard. Please find attached the pictures of the avocado tree in Nice (the variety is unknown, picture taken on the 1st of November). Sorry that I bad-mouthed Zutano in the comment above. So if possible, I would also add a third tree of a B-type flower and keep it small and use it just for the flowers (strip all or most of its fruit each year). I havent seen you comment on Sirprize. The Gem is covered with avos, the other two have about 5 or six each. Ive been binge-reading your site after finding it yesterday. Hass has the wonderful ability to mature its fruit and then hold them on the tree for many months, waiting for you to pick them. Ill write it within the next couple weeks and title it something like Avocado varieties for year-round fruit.. Sharwil The most popular Hawaiian avocado and the only one certified for shipping to the mainland, Sharwil avocados are relatively large, green-skinned fruits descended from both Guatemalan and Mexican trees. Not always, but usually. 'Sharwil' is a Mexican and Guatemalan cross and represents more than 57% of the commercial acreage in Hawaii. I have a friend down here in Southern California who also is very happy with his Zutano tree. If they dont get a good start to life, they usually struggle forever. There are likewise some very old Puebla-type trees where I grew up that I always drive by to check on when Im in the neighborhood. Maybe I should dig a 5th hole. americana) Avocado strains include Nishikawa, Sharwil, and Lamb Hass. We have a central coast house with three citrus trees and was looking for one Avocado tree, I was leaning towards the Sir Prize, with your discussion should I lean towards the Haas as a single tree, or is either a good choice. Would you say these are still your top 3? This is finally my update. You must love seeing snow on Baldy right now. Truly, you can prune almost any variety to almost any shape, but its easier if you go with the natural tendency of the variety. Maybe I should just roll the dice! Im really benefiting from your observations. You can go two ways about it. At my place Gwen seems to be doing fine in the heat but it is getting some afternoon shade from a large live oak. I have bought a number of trees there. Ive got more than one Hass tree planted (although only one is full grown) in part because my family of five is all avocado lovers, plus I love sharing with friends, neighbors, and extended family, and everyone loves the familiar Hass. The Mexicola and Lamb both look like they might be based on the pictures I have seen. Its super helpful for us newbies . Im ruthless with pruning shears (you have to be), Youre welcome to check out Piet Stassen and his pruning technique displayed at UC Irvine. It is simply an awesome fruit. Thanks for the input, and its really along the lines that I was looking down. I watered it every day, but the young tree literally burnt alive and became all black in just one month. Weve got room for one, or maybe 2, avocados. You could eat Sir Prize fruits starting pretty early in winter, and then you could let the GEMs hang late and eat them even through summer maybe into fall except that Covina gets hot, so maybe not. High oil content - Sharwil and Hass both >25% oil. ), and are interested in dwarf avocados outside that have a chance of bearing here. I recently bought a Hass and Reed on salt tolerant root stock. Out of those choices, I would go with Fuerte just because it has the most potential for cross-pollination with Pinkerton. Sharwil is the best tasting avocado in the world according to some - better even than Hass. As far as Reed vs. Sharwil for this type of climate, Id tentatively give the edge to Reed. Wish me luck! My second choice would be Hass and Fuerte. Thank you in advance for your assistance. I ate my first ever Kona Sharwil today. https://gregalder.com/yardposts/protecting-avocado-trees-from-heat/. Thanks so much in advance On the other hand, I have read of some Gwen trees that dont set fruit well without a pollenizer tree nearby. Our USDA certified Avocado fruit are medium to large sized pear-shaped with a small seed (~74% flesh), higher oil content than Hass (28% compared to 21%), and a green rough skin that is soft to the touch when ripe. See my post, Can you grow an avocado in a small yard?. Im in Yucaipa (barely north of the center of the city.) It sounds like an ideal type B. As for rootstocks, I havent seen them make a difference in my yard in terms of cold tolerance of the tree as a whole. Option 3: Lamb Hass, others? 2. Sharwil avocados from . In fact, Hass also produces more reliably than Fuerte in most places. Get a tree from the nursery that looks perfect, get it into the ground right away, and follow the advice in my post about watering new avocado trees: https://gregalder.com/yardposts/how-to-water-a-newly-planted-avocado-tree/, Also, be sure youve assessed the drainage of your soil before planting, and consider planting on a mound if necessary: https://gregalder.com/yardposts/how-to-plant-and-stake-an-avocado-tree/. Better now than never. Big and green are the two fatal qualities that prevent Reeds acceptance as a commercial variety in todays small and black Hass world. 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