all that accumulated grease and oil. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. haha, no worries! I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. Bolt starter to transmission later. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. Is it possible to have 5-speed w/ this engine? I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. Not needed anyhow. You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. __________________. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. You are using an out of date browser. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. Learn how your comment data is processed. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. Was real nice. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. it isnt a direct swap. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. Swapped! 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. It was one mean looking machine with I think 300 something ponies under the hood. For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. JavaScript is disabled. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. . BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. It was built for the track and drifting. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. Navigation Menu. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. Wow, Thanks for all the info. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. Sweden for a dyno tune. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. Navigation Menu . The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. Well, I am right with you. I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. My M104 is a 99 hfm. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. How much power can you get out of the 16v? Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. Connect common ground at intake manifold. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. All bolt-in, no welding required. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. CLK, W209. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. Hi Adriano. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. Power will be greater with an LS swap. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. You are using an out of date browser. Remove with transmission attached. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Is a swap possible? I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. 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