So just relax, lean into it, and grow rich with me. If the standard institutions werent a (govt-supported) bunch of crooks & were not in place to help only their cronies, this whole bitcoin situation would likely never have happened. Everything currently is too expensive. He appeared on the Kevin Rose podcast as well. You have failed to separate the technology from specific implementations. Your examples exactly prove the point: social media is great, but the first ones to take off werent the winner remember SixDegrees, Friendster, MySpace? I am beginning to get it Mattheus. Vivek Prasannan Use the blockchain to store the state of running programs and you can create publicly verifiable and trustworthy (because they require none as they operate publicly and transparently) applications that can interact with money. Incredible comment. Places like Singapore, Estonia, Switzerland appear to already working on converting their systems to digital cash. Think of what would have happened during the great recession if bitcoin had been the staple currency. Money only has value if it is stable and trusted. He is typing in capital letters to draw attention to specific words. According to the index, the amount of energy consumed by mining bitcoin surged about 26 percent in November alone and now totals nearly 36 terawatt hours, enough energy to power about 3.3 million homes. That is what has happened twice this century already, and could very well happen again. Assuming you can know the exact price of a commodity on a given day is speculative, yes. Facebook is probably the 4th or 5th legitimate social media platform. And it gets worse: Some large, popular components of the S&P have a PE of closer to 300, meaning it would take 300 years to earn back your initial investment. Couldnt have said it any better myself. Again, this is really only true for FIAT CURRENCIES. But thats just the start. Look at Cardano for example, they are building blockchain with built in treasury and KYC/AML endpoints. But nobody seems to be able to put together a real reason why Bitcoin isnt the next Pets.com, Uberartist January 2, 2018, 5:44 pm. ), Im in the same boat. Ten years later and the price is still nowhere near that prior high, with it currently trading around $60. As soon as I read you were selling a bag of your nail clippings for $100, I thought to myself that is a great deal! If youre one of these credible people, please do so in the comments or in a blog post on Medium that we can all read. The world is changing which many westerners cannot see. I am Mr. Money Mustache, mild mannered retired-at-30 software engineer who later became accidental leader of Ironic Cult of Mustachianism. 1) If gold is a bubble, it is a > 5000 year one Mustachianism the mental training that gets you to very early financial freedom requires you to evaluate inefficiencies in our culture and call bullshit upon them. January 3, 2018, 7:20 am. Bitcoin mania isnt different from the dot.com mania or any other mania going back to the tulip mania. 36 terawatt is not something taken easily from renewables at current rates.. Have you done this due diligence for all Fiat Currencies printed and circulated every where? Be careful what you wish for. Thats why wind farms are much more economical in areas with large scale hydro. If I add your state debt and unfunded liabilities, US is BANKRUPT! The EntreLeadership Podcast is a must-listen for any entrepreneur or business leader looking to take their business to the next level. Even then, like with investing in a new company, youre taking substantial risks. Yes, it is true that bonds are *also* in a bubble at the present timeand that the bond bubble is so big that it makes stocks look relatively cheap by comparison. Nope I am not a skeptic, and also since I was there then (with pre-internet BBS). E.g. as long as people in their consciousness believe it is a store of value it is. Iota and RaiBlocks use something different than the blockchain to make each user a miner by requiring each transaction to verify other transactions which prevents transaction fees. Things arent as crazy as 2000, but this is the 2nd highest peak of all time. Video compression tech. Stay on the sidelines. So, Bitcoin is supposed to replace all forms of physical currency in theory because people dont trust banks. It isnt enough to live off of, but its definitely nice to have a net $500 or so in my pocket at the end of each month. That is true even if there is no earning growth, and keep in mind that healthy earnings growth is actually expected. Whatever they are willing to pay to enjoy owning these things themselves is their business, and may make for a fairly rational purchase. Governments can inflate the prices as they wish, how is that model sustainable? Mr. Frugal Toque Some of them have no earnings at all. Take a look at the German Mark after WW1. Say I trade you a car for 1 bitcoin on Jan 8. MMMers have unplugged from debt, but putting all faith in the designers of The Matrix seems ironic. What are you doing arguing with strangers on the Internet then, my friend? . Please, Alex Anton is not shouting. Worth at least an extra couple bitcoins there. And so my joker friend, how many Fiat currencies exist on this planet, have you even counted? But my preferred broker, Interactive Brokers, doesnt allow shorting Bitcoin futures (the founder of IB seems very anti-bitcoin in general). One of the 3 points MMM stated it needs. I did Control F, and verified that MMM never used the word Ponzi or Pyramid, and in fact Vijay, you were the first person to bring up the Ponzi Scheme topic, and then you linked some article (which I did not care to read). Not going to do this with you. But youre entitled to your opinion nonetheless. Is the logical conclusion to short a mania or stay on the sidelines? Still no fundamentals. Thanks for saying this MMM! Not likely, bitcoin mining farms are in China because of the cheaper energy costs. January 4, 2018, 7:28 am. Probably because it was the first and still the largest blockchain based tech, a lot of capital has gone into Bitcoin mining equipment. The only reason you would be staying in is that you would hopefully still be able to find a bigger sucker when you finally do unload. Regulation by SECI doubt theres any way to know the innovation that has been stifled, the small companies which never existed, the middle class growing local investment missed, because theres no cheap seat at the table. On the popular Coinbase it will cost you about 4% just to exchange USD for BTC. Bitcoin has just 200 billion capitalization currently. This bubble is going to break, the environmental waste is awful, and CNBC legitimizing this as investing with ticket symbols must stop. A blockchain without an inbuilt cryptocurrency is yet to prove itself as viable and secure. Bitcoin has its flaws and needs to improve as you mentioned: January 2, 2018, 6:06 pm, Agreed! An Interview with Matt Cutts: Can the Government grow a Money Mustache? http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/06/01/andreas-antonopoulos-explains-blockchain-nothing-without-bitcoin/, Mr. Frugal Toque If you think that irrational bubble valuations in stocks arent possible, then you just havent studied stocks long or hard enough to be investing in them. Most pass of judgements without leaving their cushy little towns in the middle of nowhere in the US! Only if you close your ears and go Na-na-na-na-na. You will also have to pay a fee to transfer from the exchange to your wallet. Do you really see that happening? A bit frothy? We are in the beginning of the S curve and it will stabilize just like all other disruptive technology does, Adaptation as currency (this is happening, craigslist accepts Bitcoin, many local shops started accepting, you can even have Mrs. MM get paid by bitcoin on etsy. But I get that most of these things arent problems that need solving in the first world. On the other hand, if youre cool with allowing remote-controlled robots to kill 3rd world women and children in your name, then keep using only US Dollars. Bitcoins are all the same, they are not numbered, they dont rot and dont have a shelf life. In stating that humans have never had a chance to own their own money you have hit on the essential problem with bitcoin and any other monetary alternative. January 2, 2018, 6:04 pm. It doesnt mean they are in bubbles at any price. Consensus over its value. With cryptocurrencies, you are literally betting that world governments, the G20, all major banks, The United Nations, financial institutions, exchanges, Elon Musk, Warren Buffett, and all existing fiat currencies will change as radically as retail shopping has in the past 25 years. Andy Stow We live in a world where both can, do and will exist. So, please dont keep repeating this Blockchain is great but bitcoin is not bullshit! But I think you meant to write apologize on behalf of half of humanity. The other half of humanity has no internet access at all (internet access just eclipsed 50% of the worlds population this past year), and thus they should not bear any responsibility for the cryptocurrency craze. People like planting gardens. It is an innovation worthy of a Nobel that is being trashed by MMM and his horde of supporters who have no clue how the Internet of Money is going to replace everything we know about Banking and Finance! It has a track record though ill give you that. Think about it and I know you realise what is happening. Now lets get back to your kick-ass money savvy engineering experiments :-), Oh, dont feel too bad. Research Ethereum further. You guys may enjoy this article about Peter Thiel: https://www.wsj.com/articles/peter-thiels-founders-fund-makes-big-bet-on-bitcoin-1514917433. And of course, the purpose of this whole aside is that I want to establish credibility with you, so you will give this article some consideration. People are likely to disagree on whether this is a good thing depending on their worldview. Google, Amazon and Facebook came out of it. January 3, 2018, 12:06 am, Sounds like a classic case of sour grapes to me :-), Cameron Well then Biglaw Investor, youd better stop using websites or stop supporting any company that does big data research, because thats consuming considerably more electricity and its not fundamentally vital to us existing. (As Ronnie Chieng says, What IS it!?!?). Poor people have never initiated a tax loophole. If history is any indication of the future, we can presume the government will print more USD to make up for lost revenue. I can trade with anyone in the world for a low price (not necessarily with bitcoin as the price has gotten expensive but with other currencies). We? For me, the answer is wealth rule #1 from MMM: You Dont Try to Gamble Your Way to Wealth, http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/20/wealth-advice-that-should-be-obvious/. 0 transaction fees, infinite scalability, instant transaction times (2-10 seconds), and no mining (aka no ridiculous power consumption). You call it trust. Spend $40,000 a year x 25 = $1,000,000 to be FI/spend 4% of $1,000,000 = $40,000 to spend each year. Let them hold on to their fiat currency if they like to. That is about a 24% drop in 18 days. Yes, its unstable, and you wouldnt say trade it, but as a long term investment it has been proven itself. Blockchain technology may do that too. I dont invest in Bitcoin, but Ive had this sob story in the back of my mind about how I missed out when I decided sometime pre-2010 to NOT mine Bitcoin. Will it help me achieve my financial dreams quicker? The real backing of the dollar is the force the U.S. government will use if its debts are called in. Do you fault coffee or corn or wheat for being non-productive, or do you appreciate them as goods, at an appropriate price? Just Keep Calm, and Keep Investing Despite all of this hype and all the froth in stock prices, a true investor's plan can remain stable through the seasons. If so, this could negate the discount benefit for small purchases. As for spending your Bitcoin, I digress. As such, its an awful means of trade. Today, Jan 26, at 11:30 AM, its trading around $31,850. Doingone transaction burns 215 kilowatt-hours of electricity, enough to run the entire MMM household for more than a full month, or to power an electric car formore than 800 miles of driving. Bitcart.io takes DASH. Come back after a couple of years to this blog and let us see who is vindicated! Im only a mediocre computer scientist. Undoubtedly the bubble will burst or mining difficulty will increase, but Ill be able to sell this supercomputer to some nerd play World of War Craft on. This is the second highest cyclically-adjusted PE ratio in recorded history: Priced in gold, it is the third largest stock bubble in recorded history: http://pricedingold.com/charts/SP500-1880.pdf. Does that mean investing in Berkshire Hathaway is speculating? And you should be prepared for it. Brent Weaver Bitcoin and altcoins consume a ridiculous amount of energy. This is because society is nothing but an abstract grouping of individuals. Youre confusing outcome with process. You disagree. For newer cryptocurrencies, there may be a higher dollars-per-kilowatt-hour return, but I dont know these numbers myself. But coincidentally, after I got my computer engineering degree I ended up specializing in security and encryption technologies for most of my career. Even if you are the only one in the room willing to do it. But, these days you shouldnt use resistance heaters except for the lightest heating loads, because they are obsolete. And society is comprised of them, and nothing else. The Money Mustache Community Learning, Sharing, and Teaching Investor Alley Our Crypto Investment strategy (slow and steady investing for the win) . Ive been experiencing the Bitcoin frenzy from the sidelines, but I recently went all in, buying up 20 physical commemorative Bitcoins on eBay. Personally, I think this article shows that Mr Adeney has had his blog hijacked by the Anti-satoshi ;). Mining other coins can still be profitable with graphics cards, mainly ETH/ETC. If a good provides value to just one person without hurting anyone else, then it provides value to society. It is a commodity. This black one here is only $1,000,000,000,000,000. Air and the US Dollar. It's as simple as getting any brokerage account and buying the Vanguard Exchange traded fund called VTI, or getting a Betterment account and setting your allocation to at least 90% stocks. If you want to move away from current currencies then you would probably have better luck starting a Craigslist for bartering website where you cant list prices. Besides, theres value in bitcoin, like with gold or a comic book, or any other item people assign a value to. We will see you on the other side of the crash. Certianly seems like Vijay has some vested interests in Bitcoin..it is pretty obvious. Soon, they will be on the brink of bankruptcy and you will be able to purchase all of their stuff at a discount. Also, I wonder the extent of whispering in their ears & kick backs they could/likely do get. Ive been thinking of doing just that.. And then I put it off for a few weeks, and the price jumps up exponentially. Noticed this ad on the corner of a website recently because we ALL need daily updates on an obscure piece of niche software technology! If you arent selling people around you on the big dream, you probably wont make as high of return. That is where we are with Bitcoins. Theres illegal activity in all its shapes and forms (ie. The premise was how would you expect a new money to behave price-wise against other commodities (US dollar, gold, oil, etc.)? They cant use these gift cards. I keep thinking of that movie where the actor says Explain it to me like Im a 2 year old.. Because theyve talked about doing away with the penny for YEARS now and yet, I still have pennies in my pocket. 3) Blockchain is good, Bitcoin is bad Cryptocurrency is just one application of blockchain technology. This is where the speculating comes in. Its not an investment. Cmon people its not rocket science. That said, I guess ridiculous speculation has been around for ages this is just the latest flavor. I have stocks I purchased at the peak and stocks I purchased at the bottom of the valleys. The question is if one is worth $15k? No. Mr. Butler But observing long term norms of valuation and noticing when they are out of whack is not called being speculative. im not some conspiracy theorist but I do see the value in a global decentralized currency (none of which is tax evasion btw, Every major exchange currently advises and provides you with a modified 1099-INT for you to file taxes, the IRS as well recognizes bitcoin as owning property and implicated short/long term taxes for owners). Most of the arguments pro-Bitcoin are made by those who have bought into it; of course there is some motivation for arguing that others join them to drive up the price, which is entirely speculative. Anyway, if your argument were correctwhich it partially isthen you of all people should be against fiat money systems like the US dollar in its current form. November 20, 2018, 11:56 am. The second point is also critical: Bitcoin is only valuable if it truly becomes a critical world currency. Mr. Money Mustache Bitcoin has a deflationary nature, its only logical to pay you in $100 non-bitcoin bucks that are racing with the inflation rate of the Feds printing machine instead. One book that I found very useful in understanding the greed-fear cycle (and Central Banking and the Federal Reserve system to boot) is the 2001 classic Towards Rational Exuberance by Mark Smith. Ive made more per hour than I do at my day job compared to the effort that I have put into this. Maybe not $500,000 an ounce or a bulb, but at some other far lower price, they can be an entirely reasonable purchase. The vast majority of the companies trying to monetize the internet failed. January 3, 2018, 7:12 am. Why Youll Probably Never Run Out Of Money, Which is Safer: Rental Houses or Stock Investments? If you read your history on this subject you would understand why I dont. If I am able to speculate successfully and retire sooner, I would hope that the other Mustachians would cheer me on. Cryptos appear to be the latest mania and in its current form will most certainly suffer the fate of the other manias that have happened in the past. However, governments and institutions are investigating the uses of some platforms, like Ethereum: https://globalnews.ca/news/3977745/ethereum-blockchain-canada-nrc/. Trust IS the value of Bitcoin. Keep plenty for yourself. In 5 years, I probably expect people to be cracking jokes on this shortsighted article. Bingo, so far you are the only one that stated the true value of any nation backed currency, notably the USD. Meanwhile in China there are multiple football fields sized bitcoin farms. As a result, the benefits of human progress are not reflected in our moneys purchasing power. No. Even a significant percentage would be really stupid. So, I harvest other peoples speculation and I dont lose anything, as I have already harvested more than what I put in. It also helps to have wise, centralized humans (the Federal Reserve system and other central banks) guiding the system. MMM typically suggests going long in index funds, not bonds. MMM says: Cryptocurrencies are useful for anonymity and evading the government which is bad because we need the governemnt and we need to trust each other. It all depends on how much personal enjoyment they get compared to the cost to own them. LennStar 3) If you are retired, with enough to last you the rest of your life even in cash, then you have eliminated most risks (market crash etc) but not all- the currency you hold your wealth in can fall greatly. Theres no way I could have paid down my debt and netted $14.5k in stocks in less than a year with less than $5k in capital. EvoInvestor The imaginary value of these valueless bits of computer data representsenough money to change the course of the entire human race, for example eliminating all poverty or replacing the entire worlds 800 gigawatts of coal power plants with solar generation. After all, the ONLY thing that gives a fiat money its value is what someone else is willing to give you for it. Do we really want a place where youre either an Amazonian or Walmartian? I would recommend everyone to do their own research because many of what MMM says is plain wrong. Now, lets see who is smiling? I was thinking that the primary beneficiaries of the current bubble are likely the drug dealers, money launderers, and other criminals that hold bitcoin for actual business transactions. Yes, you can hedge in other things, but gold is fungible, dividable, small enough to hide, and has been valuable for centuries. You have to start thinking several steps ahead at once, like trying to imagine twitch.com in 1990. 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